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Redundancy in the lead sentence

As of this article version, the lead sentence states:

Virginia Dare (born August 18, 1587, date of death unknown) was the first English child born in America to English parents, Eleanor (or Ellinor/Elyonor) and Ananias Dare.

In my opinion, the repetition of the word "English" is redundant and provides no further benefit to the reader rather than if the sentence stated:

Virginia Dare (born August 18, 1587, date of death unknown) was the first child born in America to English parents, Eleanor (or Ellinor/Elyonor) and Ananias Dare.

Would anyone object if I modified the former sentence so that it reads the same as the latter, with only one instance of the word "English"? Big Bird (talk • contribs) 13:18, 8 October 2009 (UTC)[reply]

Intro

Clearly Roanoke Colony should be linked in the intro, since that's where our primary treatment of the subject is located. Also, we don't say "date of death unknown" in the dates in the introductory sentence. I've changed the article to correct this.--Cúchullain ^t/c 13:07, 27 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Bookworm's latest revert removed the addition of cite to Britannica establishing that Dare was the first English child born anywhere in the Americas. Presumably removing this was not the reason for their revert of my edits, as this would seem to be fairly important information. If it was their intention, it bears discussion here.--Cúchullain ^t/c 20:19, 27 April 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Literary and cultural references section

This section is designed for references to Virginia Dare, on topic and specific. It is not a catch-all for a TV episode where someone said later they might have based the character on Virginia Dare -- or some such. These sections quickly get out-of-hand on wikipedia, and threaten to sink the main piece in a raft of trivia. MarmadukePercy (talk) 23:38, 11 July 2010 (UTC)[reply]

Information from the Dare Family Association

According to the Dare Family Association, the colonists, which included Virginia Dare, were taken in by friendly Indians, only to later be enslaved & intermarried with enemies of those Indians.

1590 - August - Governor White is finally allowed to, and makes it back to Roanoke, Virginia to find his granddaughter, Virginia Dare, gone with the rest of the colonists. We now know that they were taken in by friendly Indians and later taken captive and forced into slavery by enemies of those Indians. They most likely intermarried with these Indians based on historical evidence, family oral tradition, and recent DNA testing efforts.'[1] Virginia Dare Family Association' — Preceding unsigned comment added by Ruth E (talk • contribs) 05:21, 3 June 2011 (UTC)[reply]

there is no evidence for this..it reflects the overall racist attitude still held today that Indians are savages nothing more--Lonepilgrim007 (talk) 04:08, 20 March 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Military mortar?

the sentence relating objects in powhatan's possession linked 'mortar' to the artillery piece. it is extremely unlikely that this is what was meant. the mortar of the 16th century was a massive piece of artillery, frequently weighing in excess of a ton. it was transported by european armies with enormous difficulty and was used exclusively for lobbing huge projectiles over the walls and into the enclosures of fortifications. in short, for siege warfare. moreover, they were made of bronze or cast iron. it would have been prohibitively expensive to cast one of brass. in summation it is all but unbelievable that the roanoke colonists would have had, or had any use for such a weapon.. a mortar and pestle, on the other hand, was a common household item used in cooking for the grinding of spices, as well as by apothecaries. to this day, they are often of brass.Toyokuni3 (talk) 17:59, 22 April 2013 (UTC)[reply]

Remains found?

If this is true, this is huge! http://worldnewsdailyreport.com/usa-archaeologists-discover-remains-of-first-british-settlers-in-north-america. Can someone who is more knowledgeable in this subject add it into the main article? Evets70 (talk) 14:42, 30 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

Oops! Never mind, it turned out to be a hoax. Sorry! Evets70 (talk) 14:53, 30 December 2014 (UTC)[reply]

this website

This website is all wrong it has only some things right no one will even see this page i'm writing because there's over a million post on this and most of them are fake anyone can post anything until someone edits it and makes it all wrong because anyone can post anything anytime and no one will stop them because there's a ton of post and no one can track it down to you no one will probaly ever see this except a few people — Preceding unsigned comment added by 173.22.114.84 (talk) 22:14, 9 October 2015 (UTC)[reply]

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American child?

It's a bit of a stretch to call Virginia Dare an "American child". The Roanoke colonists were mostly English people and definitely thought of themselves as English. Further, the concept of "America" as we understand it today didn't exist in 1587. Anyhow, I'm not going to change it - it'd probably cause an uproar. Peter Greenwell (talk) 19:30, 28 March 2016 (UTC)[reply]

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Why does the article repeat the myth that the colonists "vanished"?

Why does the article repeat the myth that the colonists "vanished" in some unknown manner? Archaeology, written evidence, and DNA demonstrate that the colonists decamped to Croatoan, which is the south part of Hatteras island. It isn't even close to a mystery, even though for some reason it is still widely repeated and even taught in schools. Czetie (talk) 23:25, 6 August 2024 (UTC)[reply]